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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2013 13:10:38 GMT -6
ah don't worry about it I don't see why are we diplomats intervening in such matters when we should be more concerned about making alliences with other clans... not just in JK but in other games as well Let the faction leader(Echo) decide what to do with Arsa.. what is the point of a faction leader if we don't let him take care of his own responsibilities and as a member of the Angels, Arsa is now Echo's responsibility.
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Post by iMp on Jun 13, 2013 14:11:23 GMT -6
Diplomats can't even handle alliances. I had already set EW's one for approval and it couldn't be approved even what, almost a month now? , i guess is too hard; sorry for expecting efficiency. Regardless i think everyone would be happy if we call 1 day on free lame on arsa, and the rest of year free lame on cyanide ofc after his ceremony for being the Retard of the month. Arsa can stop being a cyber bully too, thats work for banthas. but really, if you read this arsa, just chill out and dont whore the rules elopl. Also. Gunther is the sexiest man on earth
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Post by swagrez on Jun 13, 2013 14:29:03 GMT -6
cyanide just came on the server , lamed me and said lk lol so i bet his report is all about being serious Following your logic - Bin Laden killed many americans, americans killed Bin Laden. So Bin Laden was innocent.
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Post by [GiZkA] on Jun 13, 2013 14:58:02 GMT -6
Diplomats can't even handle alliances. I had already set EW's one for approval and it couldn't be approved even what, almost a month now? , i guess is too hard; sorry for expecting efficiency. Because JKA alliances are low-priority right now. Sorry if you can't wrap your head around things that don't instantly solve all of the problems, but seriously. I expected more from you than randomly bashing shit that you apparently don't even understand. I like the free-lame-on-Cyanide thing, and also the free-lame-on-Arsa thing. Let's do that!
I don't agree with our involvement in this either Ensuring that reports are taken seriously is one of the main functions of the team right now, you know that. Our involvement isn't arbitrary, because no one else will handle it.
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Post by Arsa on Jun 13, 2013 15:01:45 GMT -6
im up 4 it
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Post by Sam on Jun 13, 2013 15:58:52 GMT -6
But Gizka, evidently others are handling it... Well, in this case anyway, Echo has circumvented the system and regardless of what we suggest to Council (if anything), Echo will maintain his good-guy Aras, troll-guy Cyanide mentality and dismiss anything we say that may make Arsa look bad and Cyanide good for once.
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Post by [GiZkA] on Jun 13, 2013 19:25:12 GMT -6
Echo is a problem, and I've brought him up via report in the past to no response whatsoever.
Arsa has been a liability in regards to punishments from day one, and I've been saying it all along. He's an over-enforcer, and my opinion is that he should be sternly warned by the clan as a whole that such behaviour is not beneficial to the clan in any way. Echo obviously can't be relied upon to make decisions for his group.
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Post by odys on Jun 13, 2013 22:01:39 GMT -6
Cyanide's report does have some truth in it, you shouldn't dismiss it entirely. But then again, there isn't any point in reporting Arsa or any other admin here because the entire client base are labeled "trolls" and nothing we say is taken seriously. Even with significant evidence, no action is taken i.e. Scorpion's report a few months ago. lol of course when one person agrees with cyanide, sam is like "this man has his shit together," despite what everyone else said. so stubborn. Just caught this and wanted to verify; that post did not "agree" with Cyanide at all, I was just giving my POV on the whole reporting system. and since I have no idea how to multiquote, this comment by iMp: "But the mental illness of cyanide might need to be taken into consideration. Regardless, your post is biased towards your own expierence, while it's partially truth. It has no point on this specific matter. This is just about some retard trying to prove his point and considering his awareness a big deal." To avoid a flamewar, I'm going to ignore that last unnecessary sentence. Cyanide doesn't really have a mental illness like you think - his trolling is all an act. You'd be surprised how civil he can be. I'm also not sure how my post can be biased and also be true - that's a rather weak statement in an argument. And it does have a point on this "specific matter" because that's exactly what's happening right now. Since I suspect this will just be discussed ad nauseam I'm done discussing this. Good luck
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2013 1:10:41 GMT -6
I don't agree with our involvement in this either Ensuring that reports are taken seriously is one of the main functions of the team right now, you know that. Our involvement isn't arbitrary, because no one else will handle it. Oh I know, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it... Anyways I'm with odys on this one, Cyanide can be quite civil.
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Post by ??h? on Jun 14, 2013 6:53:44 GMT -6
yet Echo is dismissing this entire report because it was 'made by a troll', wow u dont get it, do u? Do u even know who cyanide is? How he behaves? What he does? .... Guess not. With statements like that u make it look like I m taking sides. You and most of the people act like Arsa jail spammed, killother spammed and kicked cyanide. Straight bullshit. Echo is a problem, and I've brought him up via report in the past to no response whatsoever. No response because: nobody fucking cares and nobody thinks that I m a problem. Quit hating and bitching already. Arsa has been a liability in regards to punishments from day one, and I've been saying it all along. He's an over-enforcer, and my opinion is that he should be sternly warned by the clan as a whole that such behaviour is not beneficial to the clan in any way. Echo obviously can't be relied upon to make decisions for his group. Dude, this is a gaming clan. Stop believing u're the messiah from boss lmao U and RK exaggerating as always, this is not the real life nor politics. He muted trolls, I will have a talk to him and thats it. But hell naw we gotta exaggerate this and give members warnings, but laming and threating the clan/people is ok.
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Post by Tess on Jun 14, 2013 7:42:35 GMT -6
cyanide is a dick => his report is invalid => no action should be taken. exactly, this is a game, this isnt real life, people who dont give respect (cyanide) shouldnt get respect. cyanide has every opportunity to be active on this thread and defend himself and his report, but he hasnt yet. know why he isnt participating? cause he doesnt care lmao. not one bit. this has been going on since what? page 4? we're acting like a respectable boss member killother'ed and kicked everyone from the server cos he/she was bored ...its cyanide getting muted WHO CARESSSSSSSSSSSSS.
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Post by [GiZkA] on Jun 14, 2013 10:14:18 GMT -6
The issue is representative of overzealous administration. If we don't do something about it right now, it'll keep happening more often until we finally have to do something anyway.
Echo, your attitude about this is worse than either RK or mine. Could you at least be civil? Is that so fucking hard? You're a clan guide, not a clan owner. Act like it.
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Post by Fenix on Jun 14, 2013 11:21:56 GMT -6
The issue is representative of overzealous administration. If we don't do something about it right now, it'll keep happening more often until we finally have to do something anyway. Echo, your attitude about this is worse than either RK or mine. Could you at least be civil? Is that so fucking hard? You're a clan guide, not a clan owner. Act like it. dont be so liberal gizka. your not the owner either yet you act like you started the clan from day 1. get off of echos ass arsa is in his department if he says arsa had a right then let him dammit. and PS i see you all forgot that rule in the rules section that clearly states !BOSS!! vs Client - All members should respect clients, regardless of how they treat you. Clients that break our rules have to be punished in the right way: - Every client that is breaking a rule must be evaluated case by case. - The admins are free to use the way they feel right. - Warnings, jail, mute, freeze are up to the members online. (One case has one punishment, just choose the right one.) - Blackbooked members can be punished on sight, preferably kicked and also even though its cyanide and his troll buddys dont you find it odd that admins start punishment and then they start recording? ever wonder what happened before the camera started? not to mention the numerous reports they all file against boss members trying to enforce the rules. i think you guys are just mad becuz arsa is only one who enforces the dam rules on server.
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Post by ??h? on Jun 14, 2013 11:26:06 GMT -6
be civil? Are u dumb or something? Whats ur fucking problem? Where did I act or say that I m a clan owner? The only person here who acts like hes super intellectual, exaggerating and bullshitting is u. As members we are supposed to help each other, instead u call me a problem and talk bullshit. Also, I never said that ur attitude or RKs sucks, I said that u are smartasses. Is it so fucking hard to be normal? And stop smartassing around? Quit ur whining please.
Anyways this is a discussion thread for reports, so how about we stop this convo already because it ended already when I said that cyanides report is bullshit.
And Tess is right. Cyanide doesnt respect us, now he expects respect from us and punishment for arsa just because some people (actually only RK and Gizka) are too dumb to see that he trolls. And when this discussion is done (and when arsa gets his punishment), hes going back on his laming spree - but hey we have to respect cyanide. I would only take this serious, IF Arsa would keep abusing Cyanide and IF cyanide had more evidence. Ya'll act like ONE, WE SPEAK OF ONE, evidence is the ultimate evidence.
EDIT: and THANKS L. Ryusaki exactly thats the next point. What happened BEFORE and what happened AFTER the record??? And as I said already above, what happens AFTER Arsa gets a punishment? Another member and friend gets mad and tired of jka or boss because some people are too dumb to see the obvious and to ignore trolls. And no, I do not already deny a report by a troll if I see it. First I want to see it of course and then it depens also HOW OFTEN, WHY, and HOW the trolls got abused.
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Post by Arsa on Jun 14, 2013 12:30:07 GMT -6
damnit i can't agree more ^
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Post by iMp on Jun 14, 2013 12:49:00 GMT -6
Odys, my lack of seriousness on posts it's pretty much implied. My only purpose is to insult RK for whatever reason i can think of when i manage to care.
Anyway, yes cyan can be civil, he is however not in the server or forums even. The funny thing is that you all expect to get a different answer doing a report, while we all know that reports don't work even partially. Unless theres some pretty serious shit, and even then, the chances are pretty shit to get something done.
If anything the last thing this clan can even take care of are reports themselves. With an inactive leadership, and the only ones active waiting for terminator to do something this is pretty much pointless and is being made a big deal of. As Gizka said arsa is indeed an over-enforcer, no doubt on that. And yeah, Echo does have lower chances to apply punishment to his members, because he has always been 'the cool echo'. However, he is not the only one who lacks balls to do something on this clan.
Things would get sorted out if someone had the balls to just tell the inactive ones to fuck off. and do shit right himself and then set some organization divided on a hierachy.
Stop bitching about this deal anyway, is not like Cyanide either plays 24/7 on boss server and that he gets abused all the time, and is not like he ever really behaves when he's around.
Arsa is not the big asshole you guys want him to make an image of. He just sucks at being polite when doing punishments. Thats something echo should talk to him anyway.
Diplomats taking care of reports it's idiotic right now. so much more important stuff to do
than giving diplomats a purpose to exist. the main thing would of be the server maps quality. Giz: What about the Natures? That's sort of their job.
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Post by [GiZkA] on Jun 14, 2013 13:43:03 GMT -6
be civil? Are u dumb or something? Whats ur fucking problem? Apparently civility isn't something that is acceptable. Oh well. Echo, you behave just like Cyanide, except with the rules as a crutch and the clan as your loyal gang. You don't have any right to be involved in this if all you're going to do is spout bias and obliviousness everywhere. Just because the rules justify or condemn an action does not mean that the action is objectively wrong, or should be considered wrong by our members; the rule list was written by clan members just like us with little consideration for our current events, and changes to it to accommodate our situation are consistently and constantly foiled by the inactivity and unthinking behaviour of our clan's legislators. Cyanide is boisterous, but he does so in a way that encourages people to unite for or against him, with activity and rancour. Can you honestly see our clan as better without him?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2013 14:10:55 GMT -6
Yeah I think that we would be better off without him... when I first joined !!BOSS!! Cyanide was nowhere and we had fun... but I won't bother to try and change your opinion because you already made your decision and I know you will stick with it
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Post by iMp on Jun 14, 2013 21:38:53 GMT -6
Don't edit my posts gizka, that's RKish.
Yes it's natures team work. they have a purpose set, since so long ago. It's a matter i been/will try to improve if i'm allowed to do so.
Now lets see diplomats: - Created since more than half a year now approx. - No real purpose defined on most of its existance. - Leader not even active in-game. - The 'main' purpose it could even have, handling alliances, has been set as 'low' priority as you previously stated. - Couldn't even perform an already setup alliance (which i was mostly handling)
Gizka, I understand your ideas with this group, they sound nice and shit. But it's an utopia.
I may have become overall negative, but i can still difference reality from the bullshit that an utopia is. Stop trying to gather gradually the council responsabilities into your own same shit exclusive team, the only difference it would make is that you are in charge. All of you seem to missunderstand that this clan must end at some point, everyone seems so worried that it might top it's limit and dissapear.
It totally should, the only thing you achieve by trying to save and already terminal community is to finish it earlier than it should.
Do you all mind stop trying to cure cancer with more cancer? Let the clan live what it has left. As long there's a cero, it will always reach 100.
Useless efforts of yours, get the fuck on the server at least some time, enjoy the game while theres at least a few people still playing it. You can be as nostalgic as you want once its over.
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Post by [GiZkA] on Jun 14, 2013 22:40:38 GMT -6
Leave it to those of us that actually want to see it continue living, instead of trying to contribute to its speedy demise. Further, this discussion is off-topic, and I've warned you against such; if you want to talk about it, let's PM or go elsewhere.
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