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Post by |USA|paper|USA| on Mar 9, 2013 1:07:28 GMT -6
Don't tell me I mass lamed and that I was asked many times to follow the rules if you kicked me twice for doing absolutely nothing and then jailed/muted me for again doing nothing. The proof is in the screenshots and the video. You can't deny hard evidence.
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Post by Arsa on Mar 9, 2013 16:37:44 GMT -6
Just saw kirby's post about scorp's abusings and i would have to strongly disagree. What i see here is basic clients which never seem to follow 1 basic rule even after 80 warnings each day and even deleveling . Scorp is just doing his job in there. Its not like those are people who will make one lame and appologise /etc. Those are people who will continiue to lame even after being told to however times... Also not just lame but harass others with bad language /etc...
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Post by Sam on Mar 9, 2013 18:26:46 GMT -6
You are missing the point. It doesn't matter who the person is- abuse is abuse. Its that simple. I have had that drilled into me so many times, even Scorp has told me that.
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Post by Arsa on Mar 9, 2013 18:51:02 GMT -6
No , people are trashing the server for months , and noone did anything.. Few jails when higher admins are around , but sometimes not even that. People like hondu will lame the whole damn day , swear at admins , clients , call them all kind of names and still will get like 1 jail a week. Good thing dusk did the deleveling to punish them for once. Still none of them has changed. Scorp is doing a good job imo. And if you think he abused someone you are wrong. If a client lames 250 times a day , 5 admins warn him in 5 different intervals , and he still lames again its time to get him in jail..or whatever seems appropriate.Its not that any of those guys haven't done anything to deserve what they got. You think for example its strange to jail / temp jail paper ? As i see on the forums , everything that's being discussed is admins reporting other admins , for not doing their duty or doing their duty BETTER than others. And then again we all know the situation in game and that some clients are unstandable...for us ..and for everyone else. at the end , the clients which should be on the black list will turn admins against eachother. First starfire , now this.
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Post by dekiel on Mar 9, 2013 19:31:39 GMT -6
Wow Scorp can't believe you turned to be such an abusive rulefag, oh btw go ahead put all 'em back on the blacklist, maybe a server where only BOSS members play will satisfy you guys enough. The only reason BOSS server is populated is because trolls bring the fun, can't change that, fighting with that will eventually end up with server being empty (just like whole last autumn while most of the funny ppl were banned). Good luck, I'll be more than happy to see this scenario coming (you can start with me).
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Post by odys on Mar 9, 2013 20:13:36 GMT -6
Just saw kirby's post about scorp's abusings and i would have to strongly disagree. What i see here is basic clients which never seem to follow 1 basic rule even after 80 warnings each day and even deleveling . Scorp is just doing his job in there. Its not like those are people who will make one lame and appologise /etc. Those are people who will continiue to lame even after being told to however times... Also not just lame but harass others with bad language /etc... You don't even know a tenth of the details. This entire thing started because someone sniped Polak's dets that he had laying around, which killed Scorp, which made him jail Polak for 9999. I don't know about the rest of other guys, but I know I didn't break a single rule throughout the entire event. Also, has anyone seen my report? I feels like it's being ignored when it might even be a better example of Scorp's abuse.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2013 21:43:42 GMT -6
Obviously people are taking things out of context. You look at one screenshot and say "Scorp is doing his job." What about the ones where he clearly admits he is abusing? The one where he says "If I am a tyrant what are you going to do about it?" The ones where he name-changes them to ridiculous things multiple times. As Arsa said, if a player lames then they get jailed, but for 99999999? Kick them while they're jailed? Freeze them in jail? You weren't there, we watched so much abuse play out even after I told him to relax and try to deal with it differently. He ignored me and continued his abuse. I agree with taking care of lamers but appropriately and fairly. Why is it that Gura got warnings but none of the other guys did? Gura knows the rules quite well too...it's a bias and the BOSS abuse needs to stop. I don't want anything to happen to Scorp but I just want to shine a light on the mass amount of abuse that has been going on even though most high admins are usually not as active as other players. Also, the trolls are right. They make up 70% of the population in BOSS. When I first came back from inactivity early in January the server was empty as fuck...nobody came. Also, if it was just one abuse or two I wouldn't make a big deal but did you see how long the list of screenshots was? Cmon.... Scorp is a great guy, and a good friend as well as a good admin at most times but this was just over the top.
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Post by Tess on Mar 9, 2013 22:26:52 GMT -6
I wish we could all get along like we used to in middle school... I wish I could bake a cake filled with rainbows and smiles and everyone would eat and be happy...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2013 22:29:34 GMT -6
I wish we could all get along like we used to in middle school... I wish I could bake a cake filled with rainbows and smiles and everyone would eat and be happy... <3 this is why i love you lmao.
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Post by Arsa on Mar 10, 2013 7:59:26 GMT -6
Just a quick reply , if he did say he was abusing it doesnt have to be correct , if there were more people provoking him and he just "wrote" that , i think its ok since everyone said it once. Also bonza paper and many others told you and tess that you are abusing when making turneys and you ignored them all or sometimes asked higher to jail em /etc. Its just how a individual admin likes to handle things. Usually i see you all doing the same things yet you report eachother.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2013 8:23:17 GMT -6
Yeah they accused us to troll. But during those times I have always given warnings, stripped first and then asked higher admin to jail. I've never asked them to ban anyone and I've never asked without first giving a warning. That's my point. Abuse is abuse. It shouldn't be biased and unjust because of who they are and their reputation as well as defending Scorp because you are on his side even though he might be wrong. The whole thing started because someone hit Polak's dets and Scorp was killed in the process. Abusing admin powers is wrong, I saw it being done, I gathered evidence and reported. I don't see why it has to be condoned because of opinions about these players. Honestly I don't want to discuss this any further because in the end Scorp is my friend and he is a nice person with good intentions. However one thing that does bother me is that their reports/applications/threads/posts always get ignored... For example, the report filed after mine was ignored...
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Post by Arsa on Mar 10, 2013 8:42:07 GMT -6
What i seen not lately but can you actually tell that for example Hondu was calm after you and anyone other gave him more than 3 warnings ? Even 10 ? No , he always continued to lame & call you names which i wont mention in here. What is being done in here is a basic lookalike of a demote for our members , when the actual trolls who accomplish/contribute to that are free to lame again and swear all day long.
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Post by Ashido on Mar 10, 2013 10:41:22 GMT -6
Without logs we can't say Scorp did something wrong we should not judge him for it .... hes good man i am sure .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2013 11:15:19 GMT -6
Yes because we don't have 377484 screenshots and a video. I'm gonna stop replying to this thread because clearly everyone has a handicap of blindness, stupidity and dyslexia.
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Post by toastlord on Mar 10, 2013 11:44:00 GMT -6
The complaint zone- GRAB YOUR HELMETS AND M16's THIS IS THE WAR FOURM
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Post by Tess on Mar 10, 2013 15:03:28 GMT -6
What i seen not lately but can you actually tell that for example Hondu was calm after you and anyone other gave him more than 3 warnings ? Even 10 ? No , he always continued to lame & call you names which i wont mention in here. What is being done in here is a basic lookalike of a demote for our members , when the actual trolls who accomplish/contribute to that are free to lame again and swear all day long. She doesn't want Scorp to be demoted, kicked, or anything. All she wants is for this abuse to be addressed is all. Remember; the clients make this clan. Would !!BOSS!! be anything without a popular server? No. As annoying as it is to some of you, these "trolls" are our most active clients, and they help bring our server to popularity. We shouldn't just kick them when they enter the server. If a client keeps breaking the rules after 3 warnings, then just jail them, if they are harassing you, give them 3 warnings then a mute if they keep persisting. You should REALLY only kick someone if: 1. you believe that they are threatening to crash/lag the server 2. trying to get into other peoples accounts, such as admins. Anyway let's just drop it. We'll see what council thinks if it'll even be addressed.
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Post by Sam on Mar 10, 2013 15:14:55 GMT -6
Best part is; If this was a report about another member, for example, me, everybody would be going off like, 'ermahgerd randomk abuser lamer' yet since it's scorp, everyones like 'its scorp, he's a good guy, it's not abuse, he probably did nothing'. That's just plain wrong. It doesn't matter who it is, their reputation, what they did or what anyone else did. All that matters is that it's ABUSE.
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Post by Arsa on Mar 10, 2013 15:30:19 GMT -6
No tess , people who report others for this stuff do get demoted. What can i do when people do lame others and harass with bad lang whole day ? I can only strip and when i strip they kill themselves and continiue doing the same. And then after few strips i get accused of abuse. Thats the thing thats happening right now . (What can i expect tomorrow? That im constantly stripping a continuous lamer and someone comes sees him writing abuse all over screen and report me ?) Sw ,so basically you want to punish everyone cause you figured you would be punished too.. No samwise , you put yourself in that position...of people suspecting your actions.
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Post by swagrez on Mar 10, 2013 16:16:28 GMT -6
Best part is; If this was a report about another member, for example, me, everybody would be going off like, 'ermahgerd randomk abuser lamer' yet since it's scorp, everyones like 'its scorp, he's a good guy, it's not abuse, he probably did nothing'. That's just plain wrong. It doesn't matter who it is, their reputation, what they did or what anyone else did. All that matters is that it's ABUSE. I know that feeling, bro. Anyway, what Scorp did was abusing and it doesnt matter how "good" guy he is, he have been provoked by lamers/trolls and he get things out of control. I was punished for what i've done many many times, so does other members, so it would be equal if he will respond for his crimes too.
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Post by odys on Mar 10, 2013 20:10:28 GMT -6
No tess , people who report others for this stuff do get demoted. What can i do when people do lame others and harass with bad lang whole day ? I can only strip and when i strip they kill themselves and continiue doing the same. And then after few strips i get accused of abuse. Thats the thing thats happening right now . (What can i expect tomorrow? That im constantly stripping a continuous lamer and someone comes sees him writing abuse all over screen and report me ?) Sw ,so basically you want to punish everyone cause you figured you would be punished too.. No samwise , you put yourself in that position...of people suspecting your actions. You seem to have missed every single detail and you're going on your own personal experiences with us in the past instead of the actual facts of this case. You're also going against a higher ranked member simply because he decided to side with the " trolls" that you dread. Anyway, I'll try to bring you up to speed, by my personal account: We were all on our best behavior on t3_rift. Not one of us were breaking rules until someone shot Polak's dets (which I believe he put down somewhere near the main area, which by the way is where everyone fights instead of the FFA area) which exploded and killed Scorp, resulting in Scorp jailing Polak for 9999 and not even listening to his explanation for the dets going off. Paper lamed Scorp once, ONLY after Scorp kicked Polak for no reason while in jail (which I think was the only instance a real rule was broken.) Then Paper got kicked, then they both rejoined, then Scorp accused Polak of using a proxy to get back (which he didn't) resulting in him getting kicked again. They both (Paper and Polak) told me that they were able to rejoin, not showing a "Temporary banned" warning. Polak was jailed, muted, then kicked once more and got "Banned: quit while in jail." Unfortunately, the rest is kind of a blur, and I probably missed a few details, as I remember he abused a LOT and I can't remember each specific abuse. The only other abuse that I can recall beyond that point was when he muted me for calling out on Biohazard's abuse. (which by the way, is still being ignored.) But of course, since it's a known fact that nearly all these wannabe super-cool internet cop BOSS members hate us, you'll likely dismiss every single event and/or point made in this post.
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